Patetico, de newbies para newbies
Hola, soy un quaker converso y siguiendo con mi mision evangelizadora, os pasteo una parte de uno de esos chats con vuestro amado Mark Rein. Para mas informacion ved el [post original](http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=230493) en ESR o bien el [chat completo](http://www.gamersa.barrysworld.net/tossmonkey/chatlog.zip).
hey mark - have you guys thought about reducing tele ammo to 0 when you throw the bomb in Bombing Run ?
Xavier|HV|out--> Huh? Sounds like a bad idea to me.
MarkRein[Epic]: Right now, people can throw the ball and immediately teleport after it, bringing teamwork down about 900% from what could be done if you didn't have trans ammo immediately after throwing the bomb, and had to wait for it to charge.
MarkRein[Epic]: Almost everyone from the 'professional' ut community agrees
Xavier|HV|out--> That is totally and completely defendable you know?
MarkRein[Epic]: yes, but there is no reason the ball carrier should have trans ammo after throwing the ball. Pass it to a teammate, dont just tele after it. It would encourage more passing and would be a Good Thing, imo.
Xavier--> I'm sorry but I don't agree on that point.
Markrein[Epic] -> do you even play the game?
MarkRein[Epic]: How about when you load a map the background screen is of the actual map and not of another?
Dethroned|HV--> Huh?
MarkRein[Epic]: another Q.. have you guys given a thought to raising the tele angle slightly higher? It feels like it's shooting into the ground now. A slight raise of maybe 10 degrees would change a lot
MarkRein[Epic]: Will the dodge bug EVER get fixed? It's REALLY PREVALENT in the demo, even more so than it was in UT
Xavier--> you mean when you can't dodge sometimes when you're online?
MarkRein[Epic]: i mean you can't dodge until you JUMP regularly
same dodge - jump bug from ut
* MarkRein[Epic] says the dodge "bug" is not actually a bug - it is a manifestation of packet loss between you and the server
MarkRein[Epic]: let me explain the bug so people dont interpret wrong: Sometimes there is a bug where you can't dodge until jumping again. This bug manifests itself in the middle of games, and the only way to dodge after it happens is to jump
ACtually, its a bug, we've replicated it on lan even
Publius|HV--> nonsense
MarkRein[Epic]: if you're not going to listen to us, what point is this chat? Publius told you they replicated the dodge bug on a lan. Why don't you believe him??
I guess I must have had packet loss on a lan server
absurd--> The weapons WERE changed. The link gun projectiles were made smaller, the flak balls fire a little differently and the shock alt-fire is faster. Those were ALL suggestions from the community that we incorporated.
Mark: Is spectator fixed in Gold so it is like in UT where u can have a fixed view on a player?
Mako--> Spec?
yes spec cam doesnt work all the time
and you cant see who you are viewing if it does
Mark: In demo u can only roam around in spectator mode, u cant fix a view on a player like u could in UT
MARK: Without being able to lock on to a player in spectator mode, demo recording will not be of much value, and that will have a huge negative effect on tournaments (LANs and online play).
DirtyBird[LM]--> I'm sure that if that's not fixed it will be fixed with demo recording.
NEVER ANSWERED:
MarkRein[Epic]: is the dodge bug fixed? the tdm suicide score tally? there were a good number of bugs in the demo...were they all fixed that quick or will we be relying on a patch???
Some other banter:
Mark what other tweaks where fixed in demo to gold? anything good or just a bunch of newbie things
MarkRein[Epic]: i think you should make the redeemer have 48 ammo, and fire really rapidly. oh wait, we already have the rocket launcher, nm (seriously, maybe the rocket launcher could do a bit less splash damage?)
Publius|HV--> No chance for a game clock
hey mark - have you guys thought about reducing tele ammo to 0 when you throw the bomb in Bombing Run ?
Xavier|HV|out--> Huh? Sounds like a bad idea to me.
MarkRein[Epic]: Right now, people can throw the ball and immediately teleport after it, bringing teamwork down about 900% from what could be done if you didn't have trans ammo immediately after throwing the bomb, and had to wait for it to charge.
MarkRein[Epic]: Almost everyone from the 'professional' ut community agrees
Xavier|HV|out--> That is totally and completely defendable you know?
MarkRein[Epic]: yes, but there is no reason the ball carrier should have trans ammo after throwing the ball. Pass it to a teammate, dont just tele after it. It would encourage more passing and would be a Good Thing, imo.
Xavier--> I'm sorry but I don't agree on that point.
Markrein[Epic] -> do you even play the game?
MarkRein[Epic]: How about when you load a map the background screen is of the actual map and not of another?
Dethroned|HV--> Huh?
MarkRein[Epic]: another Q.. have you guys given a thought to raising the tele angle slightly higher? It feels like it's shooting into the ground now. A slight raise of maybe 10 degrees would change a lot
MarkRein[Epic]: Will the dodge bug EVER get fixed? It's REALLY PREVALENT in the demo, even more so than it was in UT
Xavier--> you mean when you can't dodge sometimes when you're online?
MarkRein[Epic]: i mean you can't dodge until you JUMP regularly
same dodge - jump bug from ut
* MarkRein[Epic] says the dodge "bug" is not actually a bug - it is a manifestation of packet loss between you and the server
MarkRein[Epic]: let me explain the bug so people dont interpret wrong: Sometimes there is a bug where you can't dodge until jumping again. This bug manifests itself in the middle of games, and the only way to dodge after it happens is to jump
ACtually, its a bug, we've replicated it on lan even
Publius|HV--> nonsense
MarkRein[Epic]: if you're not going to listen to us, what point is this chat? Publius told you they replicated the dodge bug on a lan. Why don't you believe him??
I guess I must have had packet loss on a lan server
absurd--> The weapons WERE changed. The link gun projectiles were made smaller, the flak balls fire a little differently and the shock alt-fire is faster. Those were ALL suggestions from the community that we incorporated.
Mark: Is spectator fixed in Gold so it is like in UT where u can have a fixed view on a player?
Mako--> Spec?
yes spec cam doesnt work all the time
and you cant see who you are viewing if it does
Mark: In demo u can only roam around in spectator mode, u cant fix a view on a player like u could in UT
MARK: Without being able to lock on to a player in spectator mode, demo recording will not be of much value, and that will have a huge negative effect on tournaments (LANs and online play).
DirtyBird[LM]--> I'm sure that if that's not fixed it will be fixed with demo recording.
NEVER ANSWERED:
MarkRein[Epic]: is the dodge bug fixed? the tdm suicide score tally? there were a good number of bugs in the demo...were they all fixed that quick or will we be relying on a patch???
Some other banter:
Mark what other tweaks where fixed in demo to gold? anything good or just a bunch of newbie things
MarkRein[Epic]: i think you should make the redeemer have 48 ammo, and fire really rapidly. oh wait, we already have the rocket launcher, nm (seriously, maybe the rocket launcher could do a bit less splash damage?)
Publius|HV--> No chance for a game clock
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la web se come caracteres de 20 en 20, pero es facil reconocer de quien es la frase, primero pq mark siempre pone (algo) —-> al decir algo y segundo, es facil adjudicar cualquier frase sinsentido a mark.
bua como ke enteindo algo
el titulo es bastante explicito
lo mismo digo
Visto como peta la web con tanto < y >, mirad el post de ESR.
esque maxo como comprenderas no es facil entender to este texto cn 14 años ke tengo
lo del dodging me paece penoso o algo
Muy interesante, si señor , pero se ve que no da a basto con tantas preguntas ya que las contesta 30 lineas despues, que tambien son preguntas.
Deberia haber otro representante como Polge en el IRC para hacer frente a tal fusilamiento de dudas y aclaraciones ya que Rein se debe haber sentido como un caramelo en la puerta de un Colegio.
Mrein es como una marioneta, si se tiene q tweakear algo se hara, este mrein de por medio, o no
Lo del dodging penoso, pero lo del scoreboard en TDM es de GomaEspuma o Faemino y Cansado, toa la peña con low hp suicidándose, PLOF vs REFUSED: 0-0